The question comes as a surprise to Achilles, who thought this was about making idle conversation. He hadn't really thought about the future of these people, or cared to think about it. He's always had that lack of foresight that way. ]
I'd imagine bring order back to their society, somehow.
Revolution brings swift change, doesn't it? And once power is released, someone is bound to try to grab it for themselves.
[ He knows this all too well. ]
Whatever happens, that's all these people want. A change.
If there's only one person taking those powers again, how is that change?
[Achilles isn't speaking of republics or democracies, at least, he isn't phrasing it in that way. So the question is a simple follow up, and meant to provoke further thought.]
One can re-style the concept of monarchy, but if it's still single-man rule, then the motions have been pointless. As it is, we are in a city, and the needs of those in the countryside are always different. How are those not present represented?
[Right is regarded with a soft hm.]
I don't believe that this falls into right or not.
[ He lets out a breath of a laugh, smiling fondly. That's so like his teacher -- and this is the man he learned logic and reason from.
He's read the philosophical works of this time. Some of them. Partially. He skim-read them, and he finds himself wondering what his teacher would think of all this. ]
Mankind generally wants to preserve the status quo so long as they're benefitting from it.
We know what is to become of this, in the distant future, anyway. [ Fuckin' capitalism... ]
We're here to make sure that all goes accordingly.
Mm, then I believe that it's more appropriate to speak in longer terms, rather than any immediate concepts of freedom for a populace that I don't believe we will have the luxury of truly getting to know.
[Not that Chiron did that in life. He had his home and it was away from the rule of any men.]
Of course, it also means we are also preserving the status quo of history itself.
There's a hint of irony, I feel, that lies in contrast to the matter in Trifas.
[A Grail War is a way to change fate, after all. This? This is the active preservation of it.
But Achilles isn't wrong either. It is a different era with different definitions to values held most dear.
To speak of heroes, however, brings a different question to mind.]
Do you imagine that any of our actions will register the same κλέος as they would in our own time?
[In the end, this is undercover work. Unspoken and unsung. Something to be kept secret because to give it voice would be to suggest that for a moment, history went in a way it shouldn't have.]
... [ Ugh. That is something that's been on his mind lately. Of course his old master would pick up on that. ]
I've already preserved my name in history. My κλέος is eternal now.
This? This is for the benefit of mankind. [ And not himself. ] What action we take here will be unknown, but doing the right thing is also necessary for a hero.
[How can it not be? Chiron is genuinely curious if the matter has come up for Saber as well, but...the matter is delicate, and Saber is very much not. It'll pop up when it does, and he has no doubts that her response will be interesting.
Achilles' own thoughts bring a smile to his face. There's nothing else to remark on. The only thing Chiron can do is nod in approval, pleased at the genuine thought that's been given to the matter. It's a reflection on Achilles, and one of the best Chiron's seen. One that can't and shouldn't be attributed to anyone but the man himself.]
And here I am wanting that last sentence preserved in the records for all to read.
[Maturity in death sounds more like just having time to process grief and not act irrationality because of it. It explains the softer heart at their first meeting in Trifas too.]
Mmm. There's a certain power in being anonymous, as we're forced to be at present.
[As for the actual question, there's an easy shrug.]
Nothing terribly exciting. I was invited to go roof hopping with your side's Saber.
[ .... He just looks over at him, kind of incredulous. ]
I see... Even after her death, you're still loyal to your wife. That's admirable.
[ Yeah, he's noticed her demeanour. She isn't exactly delicate, but ... she almost reminds him of Penthesilea, with her wild nature and unrivalled beauty. Maybe that's why he's so interested in her, though he'll definitely go about courting her in a more respectful way. He won't stop in the middle of battle just to call her beautiful and send her into a rage. ]
I was thinking of bringing her a gift the next time I see her. A dress, maybe? [ Holding his chin in thought. ]
[ Yes, Chiron. You aren't a sexually-assaulting centaur and that's special.
Omfg. ]
Weaponry... She is a warrior.
But the weaponry and armour they have available here are subpar. Maybe I can gift her Keraunos. [ He looks over to the horse waiting for him at the stairs. ]
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The question comes as a surprise to Achilles, who thought this was about making idle conversation. He hadn't really thought about the future of these people, or cared to think about it. He's always had that lack of foresight that way. ]
I'd imagine bring order back to their society, somehow.
Revolution brings swift change, doesn't it? And once power is released, someone is bound to try to grab it for themselves.
[ He knows this all too well. ]
Whatever happens, that's all these people want. A change.
... Right, teacher?
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[Achilles isn't speaking of republics or democracies, at least, he isn't phrasing it in that way. So the question is a simple follow up, and meant to provoke further thought.]
One can re-style the concept of monarchy, but if it's still single-man rule, then the motions have been pointless. As it is, we are in a city, and the needs of those in the countryside are always different. How are those not present represented?
[Right is regarded with a soft hm.]
I don't believe that this falls into right or not.
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He's read the philosophical works of this time. Some of them. Partially. He skim-read them, and he finds himself wondering what his teacher would think of all this. ]
Mankind generally wants to preserve the status quo so long as they're benefitting from it.
We know what is to become of this, in the distant future, anyway. [ Fuckin' capitalism... ]
We're here to make sure that all goes accordingly.
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[Not that Chiron did that in life. He had his home and it was away from the rule of any men.]
Of course, it also means we are also preserving the status quo of history itself.
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... And that's fine, isn't it?
We're from a different age. These people's values differ from ours. Perhaps their concept of freedom is different than ours.
So we should fight for it regardless, because that's what we do as heroes.
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[A Grail War is a way to change fate, after all. This? This is the active preservation of it.
But Achilles isn't wrong either. It is a different era with different definitions to values held most dear.
To speak of heroes, however, brings a different question to mind.]
Do you imagine that any of our actions will register the same κλέος as they would in our own time?
[In the end, this is undercover work. Unspoken and unsung. Something to be kept secret because to give it voice would be to suggest that for a moment, history went in a way it shouldn't have.]
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I've already preserved my name in history. My κλέος is eternal now.
This? This is for the benefit of mankind. [ And not himself. ] What action we take here will be unknown, but doing the right thing is also necessary for a hero.
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Achilles' own thoughts bring a smile to his face. There's nothing else to remark on. The only thing Chiron can do is nod in approval, pleased at the genuine thought that's been given to the matter. It's a reflection on Achilles, and one of the best Chiron's seen. One that can't and shouldn't be attributed to anyone but the man himself.]
And here I am wanting that last sentence preserved in the records for all to read.
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Only you'll know what I've said today.
And I'm fine with that.
My glory is my own. And I can do with it as I wish; the only person affected is myself anyway.
... What have you been doing since you were brought to Paris, teacher?
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Mmm. There's a certain power in being anonymous, as we're forced to be at present.
[As for the actual question, there's an easy shrug.]
Nothing terribly exciting. I was invited to go roof hopping with your side's Saber.
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And you didn't invite me? [ He's affronted, but not severely so. ]
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Next time, you better tell me... Ah, then I can best both of you at the same time!
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If it ever happens again, I will try and alert you.
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She's strong, isn't she? [ A bit of a smirk... ]
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[Achilles no.]
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[ He's sheepishly smiling now. ] Don't you think she's beautiful?
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Chiron can't imagine Saber actually taking that as a compliment. There's something to her demeanor. Best to avoid this conversation.]
I don't think I can comment either way.
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I see... Even after her death, you're still loyal to your wife. That's admirable.
[ Yeah, he's noticed her demeanour. She isn't exactly delicate, but ... she almost reminds him of Penthesilea, with her wild nature and unrivalled beauty. Maybe that's why he's so interested in her, though he'll definitely go about courting her in a more respectful way. He won't stop in the middle of battle just to call her beautiful and send her into a rage. ]
I was thinking of bringing her a gift the next time I see her. A dress, maybe? [ Holding his chin in thought. ]
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[At least the question gets an honest reaction of Chiron. He grimaces outright.]
If you insist, I believe weaponry would be better.
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Omfg. ]
Weaponry... She is a warrior.
But the weaponry and armour they have available here are subpar. Maybe I can gift her Keraunos. [ He looks over to the horse waiting for him at the stairs. ]
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Or perhaps don't do anything so grand right away.
[He's trying to spare the horse.]
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Then, if not grand, then something simple... Like food? [ That's all she cares about. ]
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[ Omfg... ]
And a baguette. [ Nodding to himself. ]
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We can timeskip to when they find lyres... and wine
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LMAO
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